If you are just starting out with generating 3D-images, it is easy to get overwhelmed.
There are lots and lots of 3D software that seem to do very similar things – but not quite – and it is really unclear which one is right for you.
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Originally, my goal was to find something simple that I could use to quickly generate high quality 3D-images of figures and some simple backgrounds. In particular, I wanted to use these 3D-images for my online articles and blogs.
I started with Poser 7, got some great 3D-models from Daz3D and started having a lot of fun creating 3D-images. I chose Poser because I had used it briefly a few years back, and wanted to go with something I was familiar with.
Should you use Poser as well?
If I had to do it over again, at this time, I would not start with Poser. Instead, I would download a free version of Daz Studio and start generating images with that first.
Below, I will go through my experiences with Poser, Carrara, and Daz Studio, and talk about why I am currently back on Daz Studio.
One of the biggest advantages of Poser, in my opinion, is that it has been around for a long time, therefore, there is a lot of content for it. Many vendors are very familiar with Poser, and there are loads of 3D-products that are available for the platform. In addition, it has a powerful dynamic cloth system, and a great material room (i.e. shaders).
I moved away from Poser mainly because rendering time was really long. Anything more than a simple figure took a long time to render, and the direct manipulation interface (e.g. posing and navigation) slowed down significantly for me as well. It became extremely painful to create, pose, and render even fairly simple scenes. I really wanted something that would give me greater control of the object polygons, smoother interface control, as well as faster rendering.
Note though, that I haven’t used Poser in several years, therefore my Poser experiences are based on Poser 7 and 2008 computer hardware.
More recently, I decided not to move back to Poser, mainly because of the Genesis figure. One of the largest places for low cost 3D models is at Daz3D. More importantly, Daz also produces very popular human base models, such as their well known Victoria and Michael lines. Most of the outfits and accessories produced by 3D vendors support these two character lines. Earlier versions of Victoria and Michael are fully Poser compatible.
However, recently, Daz released a new generation of models based on their Genesis technology. In particular, generation 5 and above Victoria and Michael figures are now based on this new technology. While there is a format transfer solution for Poser, these figures and the clothing autofit tool that gives it a lot of flexibility, work best in Daz Studio.
After using Poser for several months, I decided to make the switch to Carrara at the end of 2009. As I described earlier, I wanted a faster renderer and more control of my object polygons. While on sale, Carrara 7 was comparable in price to Poser, and at the time I liked it a lot better than Poser.
- Carrara was much faster than Poser.
- I liked Carrara’s posing controls more than Poser’s. Carrara runs more smoothly than Poser on my computer, which makes it significantly easier to pose figures and clothing. I had difficulty using Poser’s direct manipulation controls because of the significant time lag.
- I liked Carrara’s rendering quality a lot more than Poser’s. Rendering speed is also much faster in Carrara compared to Poser. For example, the image below is generated using Carrara 7 with post-work in Photoshop.
- Because of lag, doing more complex backgrounds in Poser is difficult and unpleasant. In contrast, Carrara is much better at handling backgrounds, as well as supports terrains and environmental effects.
- Carrara has good support for shaders (e.g., character, object, and clothing textures). In addition, there are a variety of pre-built shaders in Carrara and you can purchase more from Daz. With better textures, you can generate higher quality, and more realistic looking 3D images.
- Carrara supports a much larger range of functions compared to Poser. The biggest one for me is the ability to do vertex editing. You may think that you do not want to mess around with vertices, but it is very nice to have the ability to tweak little things such as making a shirt slightly longer or shorter, slightly changing the shape of an object, etc.
Ultimately I really wanted the ability to change the faces of my characters.
I figured that Carrara will easily grow with me as I gain more 3D experience, and want to do more with 3D art.
One of the key weaknesses of Carrara (as of Carrara 8.5) is that it does not support dynamic cloth (which is supported by Poser and Daz Studio). However, you can drape the clothing within Daz Studio and import that into Carrara.
** I am not sure how well it will work when animated within Carrara because it will no longer be dynamic.
However, at the end of 2013, I decided it was time for a switch to Daz Studio. One of the key reasons for this is that Daz is no longer putting much effort into developing Carrara. It took more than a year after the release of Genesis, before it was supported in Carrara (version 8.5). In addition, the autofit tool which really gives the Genesis figures its super powers does not work well in Carrara 8.5.
In addition to all this, it seems like Daz is focusing their main software efforts on Daz Studio, which now has some great global illumination options, sub-surface scattering, scene instancing, collision detection, sub-division surfaces, and more. In addition, Daz Studio has since collected a fairly large following, and there are now a lot of vendor products available for it. This is in contrast to Carrara which has very slow updates, limited new features, and a lot fewer vendor offerings.
In addition, Daz Studio is currently free, so I decided to make the leap.
I could not be happier with that decision. In addition to the new features, tools, and greater amount of vendor content,
- I found that doing lights in Daz Studio is much easier than in Poser or Carrara. I was able to get up and running really quickly because of the awesome light primitives that come with Daz Studio 4.6 (which I got for free!).
- The Daz Studio 3Delight renderer is nice and fast. In addition, if we want to use an unbiased renderer later on, to produce more realistic looking results, there are plugins for those in Daz Studio.
- The Daz Studio interface is smooth and easy to learn. I am able to navigate my scenes well, even with more complex background scenes and elements.
Previously in Carrara, I would render each figure separately and then compose them with various backgrounds in Photoshop. However, since switching to Daz Studio, I am now rendering the entire scene together. The faster rendering speed, simple interface, and great lighting system has allowed me to start doing this fairly quickly. Rendering the entire scene is best because it allows for more interesting camera angles as well as lighting.
Here is my Daz Gallery, which contains many of the recent renders that I made using Daz Studio 4.6 Pro. In contrast, my Renderosity gallery contains my older renders that I did in Carrara. Even just from the renders included in this article, it is clear, I think, that there is a big improvement in what I can create.
If you are new to Daz Studio, I have just written a few tutorials for beginners based on my recent experiences –
Agreed, I have been using Poser for many, many years and I have been quite happy with it. However, in recent years I noticed that the rendering engine seemed inferior to Daz Studio in terms of quality lighting and speed. I switched to Daz Studio only this year (2019) and I see that I have been wasting my time and money with Poser. Daz Studio is in my opinion, vastly superior. You can get better results, and get them easier and faster. I’m comparing the latest Poser 11 and the latest Daz Studio 4.10. I’ve never tried Carrara but there is no need now, knowing Daz Studio is so good and free.
Word of caution to the newbies, you may need to spend a lot of money on buying quality content from Daz3D, but there are other websites offering lots free content, just have to look for the good stuff.
Does this article have a date? Am I correct to infer fropm the numbers in the text and the date stamps of the existing comments that this article was published around January 2014?
I have updated it since then, but should probably do another update for dForce.
bill baker jr says
im new to this 3d art ,ive been doing art for years,pen-paper paint ,ect digital art has been a new ball of wax for me all together .
ive been using serif for years the version im using at present is X4 which is now old now.
i also use a wireless turcom tablet to do my creations ,the X4 i can import it in anything including photoshop ,which i have never used.
i have tried for sometime to use some kind of 3d art programs & have made some real disasters to say the least ,i just cant seem to figure them out.
is there anything out there that i can use thats not so hard to figure out,so i can work my way up i guess is what im looking for.
to see what i have done i have a facebook page its called billah the experience all the renders there is all hand drawn on my tablet
i found your article here helpful,but i still need more i guess, anything you could suggest would be helpful
thankx for your time
Very cool stuff on your FB page. In terms of 3d-art software, it depends on what you want to do. I do still images of fantasy art, and for that, Daz Studio works really well for me. I am not a trained artist, so Daz Studio and Photoshop helps a lot because there is so much content for them that I can purchase or sometimes get for free.
Daz Studio is free to download, so I would try that out first. I found DS to have a friendly initial user interface, so I was able to start rendering stuff pretty quickly. The more advanced operations are harder to figure out because of lack of documentation, but that comes later. Also there are a lot of advanced users on the Daz forums that are very helpful. There are also specialized tutorials by some of the vendors.
Hope this helps. 🙂
Mani Deligtisch says
I have daz on my windows 7 now old computer. I’m buying a new desktop soon. Can I port all my daz purchases over to my new Win 10 box or will I have to repurchase?
Haven’t made any purchases so far.
Thanks, you’re writing is clear and informative. M,D.
I can re-download my Daz assets whenever I want, but I also keep everything backed-up (on an external hard drive) just in case. 😀 It is easier to restore from a backup drive anyway, so that is what I usually use.
What about key frame animation in DAZ studio? That’s what I use Carrara and Poser for.
I don’t do animation so I can’t comment on that part of Daz Studio.
Ok. But Carrara has amazing capabilities that I don’t think DS is capable of even with AniMate2, which Carrara can even import. You can animate almost everything which can work for you in still art as you can change, say a shader over 30 frames to easily compare on the storyboard for instance.
I just want Daz Studio should render fast like Carrara. Some scenes take hours in DS and minutes in Carrara for the same result. If Daz3D owned Carrara why they can not make a render engine like that?
Carrara is old, Daz3d studio is new and uses the latest version of the 3delight enging.
I have finally had this nagging dilemma answered by this read. Thanks ShebeShake and other authors. I have been using Daz 4.5, to 4.6. to 4.7 to now 4.8 religeously. I am currently having problems with some awesome vehicles that were meant for Pose. I have been seriously pondering if getting Poser or Carrara was an option. But from what I read here, There must be a way in Daz 4.8 to convert these vehicles and their textures to complete obj and duf files that can be reloaded after editing mats. By the sounds of the camparison between Carrara and Poser, they are a bit over-rated for what I am using and use to using. Just saved me some serious money. So Poser and Carrara can sit quietly in the wishlists where they have sat for a while already. For now I will look to getting the most out of Daz4.8. I love the assets content at Daz3d. But I am finding heaps of stuff I wish I could use in Daz at sites like Renderosity and Runtime DNA. That phraze “Not tested in Daz” in the sales bit, still scares the crap out of my debit card. I just wish they were all compatible… my only gripe I guess.
Great topic and great responses. Very informing.
The Crow says
I used Daz in the past … though im not currently using it ….. it is definitelly a good tool … but I didnt have any specific needs from it so I stop using it …. basically I only used it to test how it worked and mess around with it… lolz ….